blueAlto

A personal website discussing ideas around culture, community & connection; sex of course being a given. Our last 20 articles are found below.

Authored by alto, a 41 y/o gay flight paramedic, recent MFA creative writing graduate & single dad to an insane canine. Current obsessions: a new novel, & Starbucks banana chocolate smoothies.

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2:53AM

Well, You Did Ask Nicely

Since my post on CCR5 mutations and HIV immunity, several of you have asked so many intelligent, insightful, and surprisingly theory heavy questions around this issue, that I thought I would dedicate a few posts to it in the hopes of answering many of those questions.

Well, no better time like the present!  Therefore for today's post I attempted many of the most frequent questions for this article. Now, it is your turn. Remember, nothing is too off limits, as I strongly feel if I am putting it out there to discuss, I need to answer what reasonably comes up.

Sorry for not posting this sooner, but the questions were very layered ones, and I wanted to spend a bit of time on them before I responded. I'm gathering from many of the emails there is a potential this could be personally relateable? Many of you wonder how you can still be negative in light of some of your memories around activities.

I'll attack the topic by offering the situations I would recommend a patient tested for CCR5, and then get into specifics that relate to the ethics of CCR5 as a routine test.

It needs to be kept in mind that the majority of MD's and others practicing primary care in America, and specifically if it is a family practice situation with no further post graduate training or certification in HIV care, the response you are likely to hear is "Uhm….CCR what"?

I don't exaggerate. My intention is not to pat myself on the back when I state that my reality of public health training is six plus years of undergrad and post grad education and critical care paramedic certification. By virtue of that, my field of knowledge surrounding new treatments is, by necessity, very broad. An unfortunate reality for a number of doctors is that beyond medical school and internship, the opportunities for continued quality education are not held in high regard, or not seen as important by the ones who manage the profession.

So, ones chance of getting a health worker who knows that CCR5 has something remotely important to do with HIV, as well as one who is professionally supported by structures that would make that test an option, are not likely to happen if one is outside of a major city and without a graduate medical training program. Therefore, even though it is a completely unacceptable reality in 2008, this is not changing anytime soon.

Now that we're done with the tone of the professional environment backdrop, if you came to me and asked about a test for a mutation of CCR5, I would answer according to the following guidelines that are now being supplied. Keep in mind, the practitioner must personally request the assistance of these guidelines from the CDC. Therefore, it is unlikely they are being used by most medical practices.

  1. You have within the past three familial generations, an ancestry that is tied to Northern Europe . (found in UK, Scotland, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Russia). If you didn't have that trait any partial or full lineage from those places, then you aren't a candidate for testing as it is not thought to exist in anyone but those mentioned. Reasons for the solidity of belief in this area is the interesting connection those who share the mutation have with rats of centuries past England. Specifically, immunity to bubonic plague. HIV immunity is directly related to that which provides immunity to the black death. The discovery of this on anthropological grounds lead to the discovery of CCR5 in HIV immunity.
  2. A history of more than three high risk sexual activities with an HIV + individual or one that is likely to be thought +, resulting in the same number of HIV negative test results. Over a minimum of 18 months. Reasons for the time line would be that 94% of people, if they are going to seroconvert, do so at 3 months. 99.9% of people will do so at 6 months. So we need to wait to see each time, if in fact it will be a negative test.
  3. In a case like myself, an extended history with someone HIV positive but unaware they were infected (for me it was three years), with consistent unprotected sex, and a confirmed negative result post six months as well as currently, lends itself to an overwhelmingly strong suggestion of immunity and would justify a lab result right away.
  4. Never say never.  In other words, if I as a health care practitioner don't quite see the need, however my patient seems particularly stoked on the idea he or she may be immune, I'll normally recommend the test be ordered. The exception would be the small minority of patients who have a vested interest in the drama around waiting for a test result. That may sound strange, but anyone in the field can tell you the first time they had a shrieking, crying "my life is over" client come in for an HIV test, or any other test that references a condition where there exists a lot of judgment and stigma. By the fifth or sixth time in the same amount of months, it's clear attention is the motivation.  And this is specific to every aspect of health care, not just HIV.


You ask about cost, and yes that is a factor as it is well into the thousands, as it is a detailed genetic mapping and typing that is used very, very rarely.

Lastly, the reason that this has never been pushed as an issue in a patient advocate sense, is similar to the current flap over PEP, (post exposure prophylaxis - the HIV "morning after pill"). This is discouraged as many think we would be tacitly validating unsafe choices. Or so goes the current mantra / shame based morality play.

If you haven't guessed, that is what we in public health call "incorrect framing". Because with PEP, we would be providing an alternative for the individual who, for whatever reason, made a choice they would normally not have made. This is not treatment that is geared towards those who routinely practice unprotected sex.

Detractors of PEP, and detractors of CCR5 testing, usually subscribe to the current urban legend that wants us to believe that it's overwhelmingly the "I just slipped up one time" negative guy who has unknowingly been taken advantage of by the drooling, slutty and twisted poz pig. Funny thing is, all the current research overwhelmingly points to other conclusions.

But there is still a purpose to that dynamic for those who engage it, isn't there? It will usually set up the required level of tension, and often increase the divide between poz and neg gay men even more so than is already present. Funny too, that is also not the reality I see when I spend four hours a week, like I have for the last ten years, taking HIV tests, and in two weeks giving results. And yes, often I am telling someone they are positive.

What I have been finding for many years now, is that most don't need me to tell them, as the result is usually not a surprise. As many have been regularly avoiding condoms and having unprotected sex for years. The reason we often see a problem in high number reports when these men are tested, is because that test is occurring only when they feel as if they can actually face a positive result. That's why many "negative men" haven't been tested in three or more years.

I want to close with a very clear statement. Before anyone climbs up on the tall, shining horse of moral authority and decrees that the above behavior is "bad", please realize that it is in every way considered to be both a normative response to the event, as well as a very human response to the event. In other words, chances are, you are likely to behave similar, given the circumstance.

In light of that reality, the idea that a test for a genetic marker affecting 1% of the population will lead otherwise good little gay boys to go tearing down to the slings at the tubs, I see as misguided and not recognizing what we know about sexual realities and human behavior. There is a long held and brilliant idea that has informed much of our not so brilliant attempts at prevention. It is knowledge = power. Last I checked, that had never become open to variables. We need to ensure it never does.

Sorry the length of this is akin to War and Peace, but it is a bit of a complex issue.


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Reader Comments (9)

My head is like, kind of spinning. I know! OMG, Shoes...Kidding.

But yeah, complicated? That is an understatement. I find it completely fascinating to read about as well as talk to you in person about how it can play not in daily life, emotionally, around assumptions etc. I would also just recommend if anyone does have any sincere questions Al will really do his best to answer. He did with mine and like I said, the topic is really unending.

Thanks again for doing this bud.

07.16.2008 | Unregistered Commentercuriousg

I will say a hearty thank you as well, as you have been very helpful to me in answering the many questions I have posed to you around this issue. I must tell you that talking with you has been more informative and supportive than any physician I have ever had to deal with. I am happy you have chose to put this information out there in a public setting, as accessibility to this information is sketchy, even in major cities here in the U.S. We have known about this how long now? I heard rumors of immunity over the years, but never was able to assess the validity due to lack of available information. You have been the fount of knowledge, and I am grateful you shared it with us. I have always been bombarded with the moral/safety first message that you made mention of, and have followed that philosophy since my younger days. We do all slip from time to time, and shame based labeling needs to be discouraged. You are right, knowledge is power. Thanks for sharing what you have come to know in a forthright and gentle way.

07.16.2008 | Unregistered CommenterTater

Very well stated, Al. And informative. I had no idea.
Does this CCR5 immunity occur in women and men, or is it sex linked?

I understand that denial behavior you describe. They don't get tested until they are ready to hear the news that they are positive. When I was in my teens and my friends and I were sexually active, often without benefit of birth control, there was the issue of pregnancy. (We were all very straight) It's scary shit to get a pregnancy test. That's a condition that doesn't wait for a gal to be ready for it, though. In a lot of cases the sperm donors weren't ready for it, and they cut out and left the girls to deal with it. Nasty stuff.
The shame/blame game that plays around HIV only makes it worse. Yes, a very complicated situation.

07.16.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJava

I recently tested HIV-. I waited a long time, too, but for the opposite reason you mention. I don't think I could handle a positive result so I went when I was 99% sure I would hear I am negative. The games we play in our own heads.

As far as CCR5, I wish it was more affordable. I'd definitely have it done. And, for the record, I think it would drastically change my sexual behavior. A sling at the baths? Probably not, but close!

07.16.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGavin

First time to your blog and so obviously this is my first comment. I found out in 1996 that I was CCR5 mutated, though in my own mind I knew there was something different early on, as I always tested negative and never became infected. My partner was the third person to die of AIDS in California back in 1981. Years went by and everyone I knew died or became sick. By 1986 there was no one left from my own circle that I knew anymore except for a few work friends and family.

Reading this hit me like a freight train. After 1986 I never made anymore friends as I was too scared to lose them. As well, you almost feel like something is wrong with you that it makes everyone else sick and you just have to watch the cards fall. I know you probably think I'm crazy but this is not always the easiest thing to live with. I know how awful that sounds because the truth is I will never get HIV or AIDS, but in many ways I feel like i am already dead. I really hope you understand and know I am not trying to offend you, as you seem like a wonderful man and a great writer. I was glad you wrote about this, really. Thank you.

07.17.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJustin Kovax

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. I was able to inform two HIV testers at our local AIDS support center about this, and they had never heard an inkling of it. While this won't help the general population of people who enter their doors, I think deepening their knowledge base is crucial in staying current in treatment methods.

07.17.2008 | Unregistered CommenterBirdie

My partner and I have been together monogamously for over 27 years and working the math one can see we came together at the beginning of what became this pandemic disease. I being of Irish lineage and my partner being of Danish llineage may have contributed to our status but I was never tested until my sister was diagnosed with acute lymphocytic leukemia. At one point in her therapy, we had the family tested genetically for a DNA compatibility. As luck would have it, I tested as a perfect match, the next best thing to an identical match of a twin. Of course, I was tested for the HIV retrovirus and fortunately was negative. In the end, her four years of chemotherapy hell worked and I didn't need to have my stem cells harvested. She has been cancer free for over fifteen years.

Getting back to your point, I do not know whether I carry the CCR-5 mutation trait but goodness knows how "active" I was sexually back in those times and perhaps, if I have it, I was protected as well, since we knew nothing of the mechanism of this disease process and how to protect ourselves.

Very interesting and informative entry, Al. Many thanks.

07.18.2008 | Unregistered CommenterButch

Hi Java,

As far as I know it can occur in women, although thinking of it now I do not personally know any. If it does occur, usually in the heterozygous form (that being the gene from only one parent). It offers about a 70" chance of protection from infection, not immunity like the homozygous form. Though for the heterozygous, if they do happen to get infected, their status has long been shown to make disease progression highly unlikely and often no disease manifestations are present.

07.21.2008 | Registered Commenteralto

Hi Justin,

First off, thanks so much for leaving the comment. Leaving comments, if you are not used to it, can be a harrowing experience the first couple times, but on a topic like this, well lets just say it has taken me, the guy who will usually leave a comment anywhere, anytime, and happily disagree, over five years to actually start writing about this stuff. This is just the beginning. The depression, the debasement, and the utter disassociation one feels initially, is my next theme for this topic.

So yes, I am glad that you commented and expressed very clearly what most, if not all of us feel about having this trait. As I said to you on the phone, I am so glad you have met others now who have this commonality. I don't know what those early years were like and I can only imagine, but at least you now can maybe start to feel just a bit more heard, and a bit more supported. I hope anyway.

Cheers.

07.21.2008 | Registered Commenteralto

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